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[Dave Morris] So, would that be a
reasonable statement?
[Dr. Arnott, McDonald's Cancer Expert,
Witness] Well, it depends on whom it is directed.
[Dave Morris] The public.
[Dr. Arnott, McDonald's Cancer Expert,
Witness] If it's being directed to the public, then I would say that it
is a very reasonable thing to say. But if it's being directed
toward the scientific community, then I think one would be a bit more
careful in the language that one used.
[Dave Morris] Well, that's actually a
direct quote from the London Greenpeace fact sheet which is the subject
of the libel action.
[Helen Steel] Here they were suing us
to try and prevent us from saying that diet was linked to heart disease
and cancer and their own expert was saying it's a very reasonable thing
to say. I mean, to me that should have been the end of it, and the
judge should have said, "Right, well we don't need any more on this."
]Keir Starmer, Barrister] The
cross-examination was devastating as far as McDonald's were concerned,
and many top lawyers would have been proud to have got the answers that
Dave and Helen managed to get out of McDonald's experts. And as a
result, Mr. Rampton had to move the goal posts of his case.
Instead of saying the particular phrase meant one thing, he now argues
that it means something completely different.
[Helen Steel] I'm really exhausted. It
was sort of fun, though, really. I mean it was really stressful.
[Dave Morris] They didn't get anywhere
[Helen Steel] It's quite funny because
the transcripts, sometimes it comes out that me and Dave have said,
"Something, something something ... My Lords." We've never once
said "My Lord," because we believe in treating him with respect as
another human being but don't believe in deferring or what have you.
We do stand up though.
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