EFF BAKER PROGRAM -
September 4, 1997
Guest Host Kelleigh Nelson
Interviewing Chey Simonton
Caller: Angie Carlson of Amerinet/Baker Network
KELLEIGH: Good evening,
America. This is Kelleigh Nelson and I'm sitting in this evening for
Jeff Baker. The station called the afternoon, Jeff had some
emergency situations he had take care of, and asked me if I would
sit in. So, I called a good friend of mine. Her name is Chey
Simonton. Chey will be joining us about 15 or 20 minutes after the
hour. Chey has done hours and hours of research into Sun Myung Moon
and his affiliations along with his connections which are very
strong to the religious right, the conservative right, all of those
people that you know and hear everyday on the radio and in politics.
So, we'll be having Chey join us in a little bit.
Tonight, we're going to
talk about Sun Myung Moon with Chey Simonton… I want Chey to give a
quote from Mother Jones Magazine called, "Unholy Alliance" written
by Carolyn Weaver what Sun Myung Moon said if we don't join what Sun
Myung Moon wants to do with the world. Chey, welcome.
CHEY: Hi, Kelleigh, how are
you?
KELLEIGH: I'm fine, glad
you could make it! I hope everyone will stick their tape recorders
on because this will be some really juicy information.
CHEY: Well, this is as you
said, from the article "Unholy Alliance" by Carolyn Weaver that was
published in the January, 1986 Mother Jones Magazine. I'll give you
some quick background. It details the letter written by, dictated by
Tim LaHaye, a thank you letter to Colonel Bo Hi Pak of the
Washington Times, 2nd in command to Rev. Moon, for a sizable
contribution to American Coalition for Traditional Values.
KELLEIGH: Which is Tim
LaHaye's organization.
CHEY: Yes. It also mentions
Concerned Women for America. The author, Carolyn Weaver, gives a
direct quote from one of Moon's books at the end of the article.
This is from Rev. Sun Myung Moon's book, "The Master Speaks",
"My dream is to
organize a Christian political party including the Protestant
denominations, Catholics and all the religious sects. Then the
communist power will be helpless before ours. We have to purge
the corrupted politicians and the sons of God must rule the
world. The separation between religion and politics is what
Satan likes most. ...Upon my command to the Europeans and others
throughout the world to come live in the U.S., wouldn't they
obey me? Then what would happen? We can embrace the religious
world in one arm and the political world in the other. With this
great ideology, if you are not confident to do this, you had
better die!"
KELLEIGH: Yeah... and if he
gains total control which he's doing very quickly....I know the
guy's got to die, he's not going to live forever. But, if he does
continue with this control, isn't he part and parcel of the New
World Order?
CHEY: Well, he is because
he plays to the conservative, the politically conservative
Christians and provides the Washington Times newspaper and networks
very strongly with Christian activists and Christian pastors through
all these front groups, and on the other hand, he also funded and
networked with all the eastern religions and the very liberal.... On
the Internet you can find one of his web sites promoting the U.N.
Habitat II Conference that was held in Istanbul last year. So he is
working both sides very avidly.
KELLEIGH: He wants to join
them together.
CHEY: Umhum. That's what
"unification" is all about. Unify everything under a big world
religion. He financed the World Parliament of Religions that
included the Covenant of Isis and all of these Theosophical Society
groups and Christian Groups. Some of the Baptist churches
participated in that. So, it's a very, very dangerous thing.
KELLEIGH: I'm not surprised
with the Baptist churches because of there are so many Freemasons
within the Baptist church and the core of Sun Myung Moon and
freemasonry is very similar.
CHEY: That's true, although
freemasonry is broader than just being confined to the Baptist
church. But, I know that the
Southern Baptist
Convention identified over half a million freemasons and there
was a big issue within their church on whether they should allow
freemasonry, members of freemasonry to be church members. They do
have this "great architect of the universe" mentality and recognize
plurality of religions that spans from Christianity through all the
eastern religions and Buddhism and Hindus and Shintos and many, many
different religious organizations that, Biblically, Christians are
told not to fellowship with. It's a matter of being unequally yoked
with unbelievers.
KELLEIGH: Right. We're to
be separate because those are pagan gods that they're worshipping.
CHEY: It's not surprising
that Moon espouses that. He is into self-glorification and his
followers are involved in things to glorify their True Father, Moon.
However, Christians have other loyalties and glorifying Moon is not
to be thought of. We are to glorify God and Jesus Christ, our
Savior.
KELLEIGH: Then why is it
that all of the Christian Right, who claim to be Christian, have
gotten sucked in by Sun Myung Moon? Is it strictly because of the
money or is it because of his rhetoric or is it both?
CHEY: I would say he adapts
his rhetoric. He's very good at marketing and you adapt your
rhetoric to whatever target group you are targeting. He does make
very large amounts of money available and people whose political
goals have superceded their Christian beliefs are very tempted by
that money. I think they're willing to compromise. They put their
Bible in their pocket when they stick their hand out to Rev. Moon.
Of course, the love of money is the root of all evil. So, it is a
very serious thing. I think the most indicative thing is the fact
that if they were comfortable with being associated with Moon, they
would be publicly, they would be having him as a guest on their
radio shows and promoting him as they do all the other people in the
conservative movement.
KELLEIGH: Right. But, they
don't, do they?
CHEY: No, publicly they are
not trumpeting that alliance they have with him. However, they are
quietly cooperating and they do participate in his events. I think
that they prefer that they don't get any media recognition for that.
But, you know, in railing against media all of the time, you know
the buzzword is "the liberal media bias". But, liberal journalists
whether they're Christian or not, understand what the Bible says and
what Christians are supposed to stand for. And, they understand what
Moon says and what Moon is supposed to stand for. They can see the
blatant hypocrisy in Christian political figures working with Moon.
Those Christian people have destroyed their testimony, their
Christian testimony, with the media. Possibly their political
testimony is okay. But, the liberal media is perfectly right to
judge them as hypocrites.
KELLEIGH: And they have.
CHEY: Yes, they have.
KELLEIGH: When somebody
today says to me they are Christian, I don't mean to sneer; but, I
have to ask them where they stand because a lot of people that
aren't Christians call themselves Christian. There are a lot of
people that say, "Well, all you have to do is just love Jesus."
Well, the Buddhists and the Hindus and all the rest of them consider
Jesus a prophet and they love him, too. But that doesn't mean that
he is their savior. And there's a big different there, don't you
think.
CHEY: Yes, there is. Moon
claims that Jesus appeared to him in 1935 at Easter time and
explained in a vision that Jesus had failed in his mission and asked
Moon to assume the position as the True Father and lead the world to
salvation because Jesus' death on the cross and resurrection did not
accomplish any kind of a salvation for the world. So, Moon
graciously took on that mantle from poor failed Jesus.
So, when you look at....
well, Tim LaHaye is a pastor, I believe he's a Baptist pastor.
Robert Grant is a pastor. Jerry Falwell upheld him in the 80s. I
don't know what his position is right now; but, when Moon first came
to this country he was widely recognized as a cult. People were
trying to rescue their children from the Unification Cult.
KELLEIGH: I remember that
in the 60s there were several children of my mother's friends and my
mother would tell me, "Oh, they've gotten into the Moonies and the
parents are having them rescued out." There was a neighbor across
the street, there were cars, Moonie cars, trying to get the child
back for weeks on end. It was really considered bad, bad news.
CHEY: Walter Martin
identified them in his book, THE KINGDOM OF THE CULTS. Bob Larson
wrote about the Unification Church in his book on the cults. It is
on the Internet now. If you go into the anti-cult sites.....
(Commercial)
KELLEIGH: I'm Kelleigh
Nelson. I'm sitting in for Jeff Baker tonight. Our guest is Chey
Simonton. We're discussing Sun Myung Moon and his affiliation with
the Christian Right and his desire for his own New World Order.
Chey, continue and please us folks who have computers where they can
find these spots on the Internet.
CHEY: They're very widely
spread across the Internet. There is a Unification Church official
web page. It's
www.unification.net. As a search, you can use, "Sun Myung Moon"
and there are many, many sites that come up on that search word.
"Unification Church".
It's widely spread across
the Internet and you can put in any of those search words or go to
the official Unification web page. It's very interesting. It has a
compilation of all Moon's speeches going back to the 1950s. He's not
hiding anything. He's wide, upfront and open. You read his speeches
and you understand what he is about. The one that to me was the most
shocking, he delivered at the Family Federation for Peace, a big 3
day seminar a year ago at the end of July, 1996 for three days,
finishing on August 1, 1996. He delivered a speech about his
theology on sexual organs. He feels that Jesus should have married
and because Jesus did not marry, Jesus failed; that in order to
enter the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven, you must be married
under the blessing of Rev. Sun Myung Moon. The offspring of a
marriage that he has blessed will be sinless. There will be no
original sin in children born under marriages that he has blessed.
He invites everyone to join, so they can register in the Kingdom of
Heaven, in the big marriage blessing ceremony coming up in November
of this year. He's anticipating 3.6 million couples via satellite.
He's going to hold this mass marriage blessing in RFK Stadium.
Other participants who were
paid speakers at that event included Beverly LaHaye of Concerned
Women for America, Gary Bauer of the Family Research Council, Rev.
Robert Schuller of the Crystal Cathedral. Pat Boone provided the
entertainment. Bill Cosby, when he found out that it was a
Unification Church function, tried to decline to appear. They
threatened him with a lawsuit. This function was sponsored by The
Washington Times Foundation which is an adjunct to The Washington
Times Newspaper that is always promoted by Christian political
activists as the "conservative" Washington Times, never as the
Unification Church-owned Washington Times.
Also, Ralph Reed of the
Christian Coalition was a paid speaker at that event.
KELLEIGH: We know Ralph
Reed is an adherent to Moon because in his book that came out, don't
ask me the name of it because I don't know what it is, but it came
out last October or November. He gave glowing reports in that book
about Dr. Robert Grant and American Freedom Coalition. Dr. Robert
Grant is a member of the Council For National Policy and American
Freedom Coalition is a Moon front-organization within the Christian
Right circles and the members of the Council For National Policy are
widely known; James Dobson, Gary Bauer, Phyllis Schlafly, Don
Wildmon. Jerry Falwell was a member at one time. I don't believe he
is anymore. But, Pat Robertson, Nelson Bunker Hunt, all the names
that you would know in the Christian Right that most uninformed
Americans out there consider conservative. Isn't that right?
CHEY: Yes. You know, when
Dr. Robert Grant... his official stand on it. This is an article
that he wrote to the Washington Post on October 29, 1989 rebutting
an article that identified him, the American Freedom Coalition as a
Moon front-group said,
"I am not now nor have
I ever been a follower of Reverend Moon or a member of the
Unification Church. I am an evangelical Christian trained at the
Fuller Theological Seminary who belongs to Christ and to no one
else.... of course, those few individuals who I knew to be
Unificationists, I have found them to be decent hardworking and
talented men and women who agree with my and the AFC traditional
values platform and political philosophy..."
So, he found common ground
on traditional values and political philosophy and denies being a
follower of Rev. Moon; but, does admit in the article that he had
received $5,252,473.00 from Unification Church business interests.
KELLEIGH: Yes, and this was
printed in October 1989 and that was only in two years. He was
stating that he'd received those funds since April of 1987. So in
two years he had received over 5 million dollars from Moon.
CHEY: ...and had no problem
with it and denied that he was allied with Moon. He is a pastor.
KELLEIGH: It was clear in
David Racer's book, NOT FOR SALE, because Racer was involved in
this. There are many statements in that book that tell the truth
about AFC. Hang on, we'll be right back.
(Commercial)
KELLEIGH: We're talking
about Sun Myung Moon and his affiliation with the Christian Right.
Chey, I want you to go on and tell about Moon's speech that appeared
in the Denver Post in January of this year. I know it's really
filthy and, I know it's difficult to repeat this stuff over the
radio. We don't even like saying what the man said. Yet, the man
said it in front of countless of the Christian Right hierarchy.
CHEY: Yes, there were 1,500
people in that audience. Before I do that though, Kelleigh, I
thought it would be interesting to go through and quote some more
from that article by Pastor Robert Grant, the head of the American
Freedom Coalition because in admitting that he had obtained over 5
million dollars from Unification business interests he says,
"To gain their support,
I have occasionally gone to those interests and presented my
proposals. No one has ever come to me and offered to support the
American Freedom Coalition on a quid pro quo basis. Furthermore,
any future support solicited by me from any source whatever,
will never be conditional."
Then he also says in this
article.
"The balance of our
revenues have been derived from television programming, direct
mail, subscriptions and other literature sales. Our tax returns
are a matter of public record. Of the more than 900,000 people
on our mailing list and more than 300,000 individuals who are
financial contributors to the AFC, no more than 75 or 80 are
known to me to be members of the Unification Church."
Now, what I would like to
say is looking at vast amount of funding that he has received from,
admitted that he's received from Moon affiliated organizations, when
he was sending his mailings out to these 900,000 people, if he was
indicating that in joining his group they would be joining a group
with someone who was comfortable presenting proposals to Col. Bo Hi
Pak of The Washington Times and The Washington Times Foundation for
financial support. I have a feeling that the Unification Church tie
with the American Freedom Coalition was not something that he chose
to disclose to people he was soliciting for membership in the
American Freedom Coalition. When people join those organizations,
very often they think of those contributions as tithes. Co-mingling
money that you think of as a tithe to an organization headed by a
pastor, and to think that this pastor was also going to worshipers
of Rev. Sun Myung Moon is blasphemous to most Christians.
KELLEIGH: That's right. As
a matter of fact, talking about his fundraising, we might mention
the Colonel North Letter that was sent out by Dr. Robert Grant of
American Freedom Coalition. It was regarding, actually let me read a
few paragraphs of this. It says,
"Dear Fellow American:
Colonel North indicted,
to be tried and jailed? What do you think? Is Colonel Oliver
North a hero or a criminal? Here's your chance to give your
views. First, fill out your enclosed national opinion poll and
return it to me for tabulation today. Frankly, if you feel
Colonel North is a criminal and should be jailed, we'll just
have to disagree. But, if you agree with President Reagan that
he's a TRUE AMERICAN HERO (emphasis added) you can also sign the
enclosed letter of support for Colonel North during his dark
hour."
And, of course, you can
send in money to help support him. That was the whole gist of the
letter. But, along the side of the front page of the letter are
listed board members and National Advisory board members. I think it
would be pertinent to the conversation here to go through some of
those if you would, Chey.
CHEY: On the board of the
American Freedom Coalition mailing that has received over 5 million
dollars of Unification Church, Sun Myung Moon affiliated money is
Richard Ichord, a congressman from Missouri; Bob Wilson, a
congressman from California; Robert Grant who was the president; Dr.
Ralph Abernathy; Mr. Richard Viguerie was the Secretary of the
American Freedom Coalition. He is the direct mail guru who very
likely composed and put this letter out.
KELLEIGH: Wasn't it Sun
Myung Moon who bailed him out when he was about to go bankrupt?
CHEY: Yes. The Unification
Church affiliate.....
(Commercial)
KELLEIGH: Chey, I want you
to continue with this Colonel North letter, but, I do want to tell
the audience that at some point, you will put together a little
booklet on Moon and all of these documents that you've collected.
When that happens, we'll make sure the listeners know where they can
get a copy of it.
CHEY: Well, now you've put
me under the gun. I'll have to get that booklet put together.
Now, what people need to
remember is that the American Freedom Coalition was funded with over
5 million dollars of Sun Myung Moon money. Most of the members that
are listed here also belong to something that is always referred to
as a "conservative educational group promoting Judeo-Christian
values" called the Council for National Policy. Included on this
Moon-funded group are Dr. Ben Armstrong of the National Religious
Broadcasters Association; Rev. James Bevel who now, or was a few
years ago, associated with the LaRouche organization; Brent Bozell
III; Dr. Joseph Churuba; Don DeFore, the actor from Hazel, and on
his resume with the Council for National Policy he had listed
himself as a 33rd degree mason; Colonel Doner who originated
Christian Voice, a Moon-controlled precursor to.... it was after the
Moral Majority but before the Christian Coalition, there was an
organization called Christian Voice that was under the domination of
Unification Church members and they had Christians going out being
the public relations speakers but they were controlled and financed
by Unification Church organizations. Colonel Doner, in an article I
have here somewhere, laughingly explained to the report that he
coined the term "traditional values" that the Christian Right loves
and that "traditional values" means absolutely nothing. It means
whatever anybody thinks it means. And that has been the battle cry
of the Christian Right, that we must have "traditional values". He
laughed about that.
KELLEIGH: Actually,
somewhere I read that the actual person who coined that phrase goes
all the way back to Nietzsche.
CHEY: That's possible.
Colonel Doner does take credit for it though.
KELLEIGH: Well, there's a
picture in the book about homosexuality in the Nazi Party and
there's Boehm and Hitler standing in front of a statue of Nietzsche
who they really loved.
CHEY: Was that THE PINK
SWASTIKA?
KELLEIGH: Right, that's it!
Thank you very much.
CHEY: Do you want me to go
on with this?
KELLEIGH: I think we're at
the top of the hour and it will be just a couple of minutes.
(Commercial)
Chey, I really did want to
go through a few more of these because the majority of them are
Council For National Policy members which was started in 1981 to be
a counter for the Council On Foreign Relations yet in the 1988
membership list there were four CFR members in the CNP, the
Christian Right group. So it says to me that they were mixing and
mingling back at the very beginning.
(Referring to the Oliver
North letter) Down here on the bottom there are a few more that I
think you ought to run through. This honorable H.L. Richardson, Bill
Richardson, California State Senate. He's a member of the Council
for National Policy, too. What I wanted to say about him is that he
is, he's right on this letter as a National Advisory Board member of
American Freedom Coalition. H.L. Richardson is the foundation head
for Gun Owners of America. H.L. Richardson actually started G.O.A.
and Larry Pratt works for H.L. Richardson. Now, H.L. Richardson made
a statement that it didn't matter if they had an organization that
supported all the blonde women.....
(Commercial)
Chey, I'm sorry I forget
that at the top of the hour are two real close together commercials.
I forgot, my fault.
I want to finish up with
H.L. Richardson. He made the statement that it didn't matter what
they got a group together for, for the grassroots to come together
and support, as long as they felt that they were doing something.
That tells me an awful lot. Not only that but, H. L. Richardson,
Bill Richardson, backed Robert O. Anderson for head of the NRA's
Whittington Center. Robert O. Anderson happens to be not only Club
of Rome, CFR and Trilateralists, but, very involved with the Aspen
Institute. He is not a nice boy! So, I have to wonder what the real
cause of Bill Richardson, now this is H.L. Richardson, he is
different from the other Bill Richardson, he was a California State
Senator. This fella is still the foundation head of Gun Owners of
America and is still Larry Pratt's boss. That tells me an awful lot
right there, don't you think?
CHEY: Oh, I think so.
KELLEIGH: And both of them
are CNP members!
CHEY: Now just below him
(on Ollie North letter) we have the one very openly Unification
Church affiliated man, Phillip Sanchez who was the president of
CAUSA, an openly Unification Church group in the 1980s. They did all
expenses paid junkets for journalists and politicians and political
activists, anybody they could get to go on various various junkets.
They provided all transportation and every expense was paid for by
the Unification Church.
Then we have an interesting
one down here. Dr. Donald Sills with the Coalition for Religious
Freedom which is another Moon-backed front group. He is a
Presbyterian pastor from California who sat on the board of another
Unification Church front group.
Then, of course, there's
General John Singlaub. Everyone remembers him from the Iran/Contra
affair who was closely affiliated with Ollie North. Obviously,
Oliver North was a member of the Council for National Policy and
John Singlaub is a member of the Council for National Policy.
Then below that we have Dr.
Cleon Skousen, a former FBI agent, was a speaker nationally for
CAUSA, the Moon affiliated group. He spoke all over the country. He
also was a member of the Council For National Policy.
KELLEIGH: Not only that, he
still runs with all of these people, so does his son. Plus, he is
pro-Constitutional Convention which many of these people within the
Council For National Policy are.
CHEY: That's true.
KELLEIGH: Including Michael
Farris. This whole Advisory Board and board members reads like a
Who's Who of the Christian Right supporting Ollie North. We've heard
on countless radio shows exposed by a number of men who were
insiders and have come out and told us the truth about what Ollie
North was really doing, and Mena and the whole situation. Here is a
Moon front organization asking for money for a fellow CNPer, Ollie
North.
CHEY: And Oliver North is
now on Christian radio as a talk radio political host. So, what we
call that is "strange bedfellows." These men are participating in
political movements supposedly based on their faith in the Lord
Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and affiliating with Moon.
Reading his theology he would have to be identified as an
antichrist, not THE ANTICHRIST, but "an antichrist" which I can
verify by reading this speech that he gave.
I need to explain, he is
very proud of this speech. He gave it first of all August 1, 1996 in
Washington D.C. as the final speech of a 3 day seminar for the
Family Federation for World Peace. The participants were Beverly
LaHaye, Pat Boone, Robert Schuller, Ralph Reed, Gary Bauer of the
Family Research Council. This was the final speech. It was reprinted
in the Denver Post on January 6, 1997 as a paid advertisement of the
Unification Church.
KELLEIGH: And you can get
if off the Internet, too.
CHEY: It's on the
Unification Church web site. August 1, 1996 the web site location is
http://www.unification.net
KELLEIGH: You should all go
look at it because it's really unbelievable!
CHEY: I'll read some
excerpts. It's a very long speech. I have to preface, this is the
most disgusting abomination of blasphemy to a Christian, to anyone
who believes that the Bible is the truth, is the word of God. He
says:
"God wants a love
partner. Thus, centering on the place where husband and wife
become one through their sexual organs, God wants to appear and
meet us."
KELLEIGH: Hang on, Chey,
we'll start it over when we get back.
(Commercial)
This is Kelleigh Nelson
sitting in for the Jeff Baker Show this evening. My guest is Chey
Simonton and she is about to read a speech that Moon is very, very
proud of that was attended many of the Christian Right. If any of
you have any questions about anyone in particular or anything we've
discussed, call in on 1-888-544-8255 or 888-37-RADIO.
Chey, go ahead with this. I
think it's really important for people to understand where Moon's
theology really lies.
CHEY: Moon, in another
speech he gave to The Washington Times, urged all of the employees
of The Washington Times to read this speech once for each year of
their life. If they're 80 years old, they should read it 80 times!
"God wants a love
partner, centering on the place where husband and wife become
one through their sexual organs, God wants to appear and meet
us...I wish you would center on the absolute sexual organ,
unique sexual organ, unchanging sexual organ and eternal sexual
organ and use this as your foundation to pursue God...We have to
realize that the Kingdom of God on earth and in heaven will
begin on this foundation."
KELLEIGH: Blasphemy!
CHEY: And he ends with an
invitation, "I sincerely hope that each of you will participate in
the next marriage blessing of 3,600,000 couples. By doing so, you
will form a true family that can register in the Kingdom of God on
earth."
KELLEIGH: See, we can't
even tell them what else is in this. They'll have to go into the
Internet and read it themselves because it's personal bodily habits
that he discusses in front of all of these people that you don't
even discuss with your closest friend! It's disgusting!
CHEY: He also says,
"Christians entrap us, crying heresy because our doctrines differ
and they try to destroy us, but in this case, the so-called
heretical cult is on the side of truth." Then he goes on to say:
"Rev. Moon is the first
person to provide the answers because Rev. Moon is the only one
who knows all the secrets of God. You have to realize that Rev.
Moon overcame death hundreds of times in order to find this
path. Rev. Moon is the person who brought God to tears hundreds
of times. No one in history has loved God more than the Rev.
Moon has. That is why even if the world tries to destroy me, the
Rev. Moon will never perish. It is because God protects me. If
you step into the realm of truth Rev. Moon teaches, you will
also gain God's protection."
KELLEIGH: Sick and twisted.
How old is Moon, do you know?
CHEY: I believe he's about
76. He's on his fourth marriage.
KELLEIGH: Yeah, and he
channels to his dead son. We ought to talk about that!
CHEY: He portrays himself
and his wife as the True Parents of everyone on planet Earth. In
order to have salvation, you must be married under his marriage
blessing. That is, to him, salvation.
Now, they use words and
terms that sound comfortable to Christians. They talk about the
marriage feast but they're not speaking of the bride of Christ and
that marriage feast, they're talking about this mass marriage
blessing that Rev. Moon bestows on everyone who seeks his approval
of their marriage. Then if you do that, you will have sinless
offspring.
KELLEIGH: That word
twisting is an age old Marxist-Communist tactic. Everybody out there
that's listened to talk radio knows that!
I was just looking for my
Masculine Journey,
by Robert Hicks. This book was given out by Promise Keepers, 50,000
copies. The backing of this book has never been rescinded by the
people behind Promise Keepers. It has a chapter called "The Phallic
Man". It's very similar to this Moon theology and it fits right into
the whole core of many of the secret societies. They're based on the
phallic symbol and that includes freemasonry.
CHEY: The identify Jesus
Christ as a "phallic male" and I believe in that book, urge men to
worship Christ, Jesus Christ, as "phallic males".
KELLEIGH: That's right. I
picked up a copy in a used bookstore because I had heard this was
such a blasphemous book and it contained all this filth. Sure
enough, there it was! So, I ordered two more copies so I could give
it to other friends to prove that what has been said about it is
absolutely true. Unfortunately, we have to keep a lot of these books
from what we classify as the enemy in our libraries, simply to prove
and document that what we're saying is absolutely the truth.
CHEY: I understand Promise
Keepers tried to back off that book when they realized how offensive
it was and they were getting criticized for it. I think that Promise
Keepers, as a ecumenical shepherding movement, puts discernment on
the back burner. I think the best news I've heard is that attendance
is down at these big, mass rallies that they have. But, enough of
Promise Keepers, do you want to talk about more stuff that was on
the Moon Internet thing?
KELLEIGH: Sure, go ahead!
CHEY: Well, I found it
interesting... if you put in a search word, "Marriage Rededication
Blessing" is a search you can go on any of the search engines on the
Internet and you put that in, it will pull you to a web site run by
a Unification family called the Belfort family. They're promoting
the Family Federation for World Peace and Unification, a Moon
organization. On their web site they offer to come personally to
your home to perform a marriage rededication blessing for you in the
privacy of your living room. They also invite you to participate in
the big mass marriage blessing that will be performed this November
by Rev. and Mrs. Moon.
Then going on down, it
gives some other items you can pull up linked to their web page.
There is a True Family Values series and "family values" is a
Unification theology term and we just read to you what "family
values" meant in that sexual organ speech that Rev. Moon gave. It's
feature article spells it out, it's from the Family Research Council
which is Gary Bauer. Gary was a speaker at the Family Federation for
World Peace Seminar. He very likely sat through the sexual organ
speech that Moon gave. He's featured now, a year later, on a
Unification Church web page and he is the lobbying arm for Focus on
the Family, Dr. James Dobson's group. Dr. Dobson's son works for
Gary Bauer at the Family Research Council in Washington D.C. Dr.
Dobson's son is a speaker to Youth groups and Gary Bauer, who was in
the Reagan administration, is featured on a Unification Church web
page. I've heard Gary Bauer use the "family values" rhetoric and
heard him use the "traditional values" rhetoric and I have heard him
use a lot of the buzzwords that Christian conservatives have become
comfortable listening to. I have never heard his Christian
testimony. I do not know if he believes that Jesus Christ is his
Lord and Savior.
KELLEIGH: Well, he may be a
Moonie.
CHEY: That's very difficult
to determine. They mention The Washington Times weekly newspaper
which is owned by Rev. Sun Myung Moon. It is staffed by Christians
who are aware that their boss is the Unification Church. It is
promoted as "the conservative" newspaper that everyone should
subscribe to. Dr. Dobson has made references to the "conservative"
Washington Times. Don McAlvany references the "conservative"
Washington Times.
Just recently in August,
the highest ranking Unification Church member staffer resigned from
The Washington Times because she had a new position. She is now the
president and CEO of Empower America. Obviously, that is Bill
Bennett who is also with the Heritage Foundation and Jack Kemp who
is also a fellow at the Heritage Foundation.
KELLEIGH: And a member of
the CNP and a 33rd degree mason.
CHEY: Lamar Alexander and
Jean Kirkpatrick. It will be interesting. This is a new change.
Empower America is now controlled at the top by a Unification Church
member whose purpose in life is to glorify Rev. Sun Myung Moon.
KELLEIGH: And the
connections are so many because Jeannie Kirkpatrick of Empower
America formerly had Madeleine Albright's job at the U.N. She
trained Alan Keyes who is a member of the Council For National
Policy. She is a CFR member. It's all interconnected. It just flows,
they flow together. It's one big basket of snakes!
CHEY: Well, it will be
interesting to see, now that they have a Unification Church member
as their top official, who opts to leave Empower America. Who will
speak out against this or will Jack Kemp and Lamar Alexander and
Bill Bennett remain the "christian" talking heads?
(Commercial)
KELLEIGH: We have a caller
on the line who I know will be very interesting. It's Angie Carlson
from California. I had another call while we were on break on my
other line asking a couple questions so don't let me forget to ask
you those. We'll take Angie now if she's on the line.
ANGIE: Hi, Kelleigh! This
is an excellent, most informative broadcast. I thank you so very,
very much for bringing Chey on. Chey, bless you for divulging all
this information. It's amazing that even those of us who work so
deeply in divulging and informing to know so little of certain
things. What I would like to again repeat, did you say that the
Center for National Policy and the Christian Freedom Coalition are
Moon fronts?
CHEY: American Freedom
Coalition. The Christian Coalition's Ralph Reed did participate in
that Family Federation for World Peace event that was...
ANGIE: World Parliament,
right.
KELLEIGH: Joanie Veon.
CHEY: Rev. Moon's group,
let's see what is it called, Interreligious something...
ANGIE: Chey, I sure hope
you'll write something about this and get it out to us.
CHEY: Yeah, I'm working on
it. Actually, I first came across that in a Moon-published book from
Paragon House which is a Unification Church-owned publishing
company, that through his Interreligious foundation, he had
sponsored the Chicago 1993 World Parliament of Religions.
ANGIE: That speech you're
talking about, I just went in the Net, it's called IN SEARCH OF THE
ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE, August 1, right? I just read part of it. It
is absolutely disgusting, in fact, its nauseating! And I want to
send it out with some of my messages because I have many hundreds of
people on my list that I forward information to.
What about Eagle Forum? You
didn't mention Phyllis Schlafly. I can't remember what organization
you said she was involved in, receiving money or she went to a
meeting. What about the Eagle Forum?
KELLEIGH: Do you want me to
answer that, Chey? Well, I will tell you this, Phyllis Schlafly is a
Catholic. I know that she's done what a lot of people consider a lot
of good work. However, I know for a fact Phyllis is Phi Beta Kappa
and all you have to do is go into the old book, SECRET AND OTHER
SOCIETIES, and find out that Phi Beta Kappa was started in the 1700s
and patterned of the Bavarian Illuminati. On the back of the Phi
Beta Kappa key are seven stars and a crescent moon which also
appears on the floors of the old freemasonry halls. So, there is a
heavy connection there to. Now, it is alleged, and I say alleged
very carefully, that Phyllis is a Dame of the Sovereign Order of the
Military Knights of Malta. And it is also a fact that she did get a
$500,000 federal grant to study Child Abuse in the Classroom. Child
Abuse in the Classroom was actually not written by Phyllis. It was
written by a woman named Charlotte Iserbyt and it was only a year
ago that Phyllis finally gave Charlotte credit for having written
it.
Now, I have a letter in my
file that I will be happy to send you. It's from Elizabeth Clare
Prophet and it's thanking Phyllis Schlafly for having appeared at
one of her conferences as a guest speaker. It also connects a man
named Balsiger who is another Council For National Policy member who
apparently worked for Elizabeth Clare Prophet and was involved with
both Phyllis and Elizabeth Prophet. So, its questionable, you know?
ANGIE: Yes, absolutely.
It's so important to inform people of these things because I get
tons and tons of mail a day and I remember seeing things from the
Center For National Policy and not really knowing what it is. But,
another thing is the way Sun Myung Moon is seriously penetrating the
hearts and souls of those even not involved with the Center For
National Policy or American Freedom, but just people and Christians
on the Internet such as myself, is by the media and putting out
articles that you think are very good and telling the truth. Now,
I've known and been very skeptical about Insight and also Washington
Times. I have seen some disinformation in there. In fact, someone
told me not too long ago, from Korea, I asked why do you think Moon
is divulging so much about China and what's going on over there? He
said, "Not for any good reason but because he hates the Chinese. He
does not want the competition with the Chinese and that's one main
reason other than impressing other people (so-called conservatives
who want the other side of the news)." This is very, very dangerous.
KELLEIGH: Angie, I think
you need to stay on the line and have Chey tell you the CIA
connections.
ANGIE: Oh, I would love to
know! Would you prefer that I get off and listen off the air?
KELLEIGH: No, you can stay
on if you want. You may have another question because that was one
of the questions that I got on my other line. Chey, could you go
into that? Are you prepared for it?
CHEY: Well, I'll try to
make that connection for you. I have to get out another notebook.
KELLEIGH: There was also
another question regarding Jerry Falafel's involvement.
CHEY: I know that Jerry
Falwell defended Moon when Moon went to jail over income tax
evasion. Also, when Jerry Falwell had the Moral Majority, his Senior
Vice President was a man named Ron Godwin. Ron Godwin, who professes
Christianity and was very high in Moral Majority, subsequently took
a job as the editor of Insight Magazine, a Unification publication
that is marketed as a "conservative" magazine. Now he is, and has
been for a number of years, the Senior Vice President of The
Washington Times newspaper. He works directly under Colonel Bo Hi
Pak who is Moon's highest in command in the United States.
(Commercial)
KELLEIGH: And we're back
with Chey Simonton. We have Angie Carlson on the line. Chey, I hope
that gave you time to get your file out.
CHEY: It did, yes.
Basically, I'm taking information from Bob Woodward's book, VEIL:
THE SECRET WARS OF THE CIA 1981-1987. He identifies on page 426
that, "Casey had greatly increased the covert budget for propaganda
operations. There were now about 2 dozen providing money abroad for
newspapers, think tanks and institutes." Now money abroad is
sanctioned, but, with "propaganda" what you have to focus on is
newspapers, think tanks and institutes regardless of whether they
are abroad or not.
On page 429 it states, "The
Washington Times started by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon of the
Unification Church was plugged into Reagan's conservative
Washington. Several of its staff writers had worked at the National
Security Council." Now, that was Oliver North and John Poindexter
and McFarland's thing was the National Security Council, that's
where they served President Reagan. The Washington Times, when it
started, had National Security Council personnel working as writers.
There is a gentleman named
Max Hugel who served briefly on the CIA as friend of Casey's. He had
to resign when some stock trading came to light. He made a threat to
his stock broker who had accused him of insider trading, "I'll get
my Korean gang after you and don't look so good when your (expletive
deleted) ". Max Hugel served on the Council For National Policy. In
a 1990 article from the Washington Post, in the financial section,
it goes into the fact that Max Hugel and Jonathan Park, the son of
Bo Hi Pak who is the President of The Washington Times Foundation
and who as a colonel was an attache to the Korean embassy, Max Hugel
and Col. Bo Hi Pak's son using Unification money were pursuing
forming a conglomerate of all the independent broadcasting
facilities in the whole Washington D.C. region. As of 1990, they had
purchased and controlled all but one including the satellite and the
independent broadcasting facility in the National Press Building.
They were providing news footage to CNN and anyone who understands
editing can understand how that could be used for propaganda. In
editing you can do all kinds of fancy things.
ANGIE: Chey, if I could say
one thing very quickly, it's interesting that you mentioned Bevel.
Two questions, Bevel was in some organization and secondly, in fact
the LaRouche paper, Federalist, has been exposing a tremendous
amount. They seem to have a very special disdain for Sun Myung Moon
and divulged the fact several months ago that Moon and Bush were on
a speaking tour of South and Central America. I have the article
somewhere. Moon went there supposedly to be involved in one of these
ghastly collective weddings, 3.5 million poor South Americans were
getting married and he and Bush bought several major papers in South
and Central America. So they are really moving all over the world
through the media!
CHEY: You have to remember
that Bush, before he was president and before he was vice president,
was the Director of the CIA back in the 70s. They've been working
together for the last several years. They're very close.
KELLEIGH: And the fact that
The Washington Times has lost 35 million a year for how many years?
CHEY: 15 years. If you're
going into the Unification web site, read Moon's speech, the
Founder's Speech for The Washington Times.
ANGIE: Do you have any idea
of the year?
CHEY: It's fairly recent. I
don't have it written down, but, in that he said he had received
nothing good from America but that he had bestowed his blessing on
America. It's the Founder's Speech for The Washington Times 15th
Anniversary. It's maybe this year or maybe last year.
KELLEIGH: The other thing
about Lyndon LaRouche is the fact the man spent time in prison just
like Mandela did to prove his allegiance to his masters. Lyndon
LaRouche at one time changed his name to Len Marcus to honor Lenin
and Marx who are his heroes.
ANGIE: Well, he was a
stated communist who moved to democratic, then conservative and then
back to so-called democratic.
KELLEIGH: And yet, here is
Rev. James Bevel on the National Advisory Board of the American
Freedom Coalition which is headed by Dr. Robert Grant, CNP member,
and a Moon organization! So, see it's all connected!
ANGIE: This is such
valuable information. I appreciate this so very, very much! If you
would just repeat where the $5,000,000 was given one time so I could
write that down. Thank you so much. Bye, bye.
(Commercial)
KELLEIGH: My guest has been
Chey Simonton for the last two hours. I wanted to tell you, Chey,
that it's been my pleasure to be on the air with you for a couple
hours discussing this very involved Moon and all the tentacles along
with it. I want to give just two short Bible verses that really
speak to the whole situation.
"But they that will be rich
fall into temptation and a snare and into many foolish and hurtful
lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition for the love of
money is the root of all evil which while some coveted after, they
have erred from the faith and pierced themselves through with many
sorrows." Timothy I 6:9-10
Doesn't that just tell
what's happened?
CHEY: It sure does, it
really does.
KELLEIGH: So, tell Angie
where it states that they lose $35,000,000 every year.
CHEY: Well, I've seen it in
various things. Mine is in a New York Times article about
reorganizing and brushing up the conservative image of The
Washington Times. I'd be happy to e-mail that to her. I don't have
it on disk.
KELLEIGH: Anything you want
to finish up on while we have a few minutes left here?
CHEY: Your Christian
testimony is the most precious thing you have. We have a Savior. Our
job is glorify Him. Politics and political goals come second. Our
Savior, Lord Jesus Christ comes first.
KELLEIGH: That's right.
That's absolutely true!
CHEY: And glorifying Moon
does not honor God.
KELLEIGH: Unfortunately,
many of these get into worshipping politics as their god. I think
that's where Rev. Moon and all those Christian Right that he's
leading down this path are going and have been for many years. Don't
you?
CHEY: Yes, I do! It's a
worldly system and all the compromise and coalition building in
politics is very, very dangerous.
KELLEIGH: And where has it
gotten us? We've been fighting this mess, with the Christian Right
supposedly helping. For the last 25 years they've told us, "Give us
your money, your time, your blood and we'll save the country from
what's coming." Now we're on the brink of a precipice ready to fall
in!
CHEY: Umhum, with all these
leaders! They live very lavish lives, don't they?
KELLEIGH: Yes, they do. A
lot more lavish than you and I!
CHEY: Sacrificial giving on
the part of the grassroots makes for a comfortable life style.
KELLEIGH: And I think what
people don't realize is that as long as they get their grassroots
support, they can show the foundations that they have the ear of the
grassroots and then the foundations fund them with great deals of
money. So, if we stop funding them our $25.00 a month, then their
foundation money will also drop off because the foundations will
realize that we are no longer being affected by their rhetoric.
CHEY: Amen!
KELLEIGH: God bless you,
Chey! Good night, folks!