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DEPOSITION OF JOSEPH FRANELL

AMERICAN BUDDHA STRIKES ITS OWN BLOW FOR INTERNET FREE SPEECH IN KATHLEEN PARKER DUST-UP (AMERICAN BUDDHA VS. CITY OF ASHLAND, OREGON)

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                    IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

                                  DISTRICT OF OREGON

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             AMERICAN BUDDHA, an Oregon
             Nonprofit corporation,

                            Plaintiff,

             vs.                                  NO. 06-CV-3054-PA

             THE CITY OF ASHLAND and THE
             WASHINGTON POST COMPANY,

                            Defendants.

             _________________________________/



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                             DEPOSITION OF JOSEPH FRANELL

                               FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 2006

                                      10:02 A.M.

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                  LAURA L. SMITH, RPR, OR CSR #97-0340, CA CSR #2731


                        Certified Court and Deposition Reporter
                            2305-C Ashland Street, PMB 228
                                 Ashland, Oregon 97520

                                    (541) 488-4677


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         1                            APPEARANCES

         2

         3   For the Plaintiff:

         4
             BY:  CHARLES CARREON, Attorney at Law
         5   423 Gateway Drive, #64
             Pacifica, California 94044
         6   650-735-5277

         7

         8   For the Defendant City of Ashland:

         9   HOFFMAN HART WAGNER, LLP
             BY:  KAREN O'KASEY, Attorney at Law
        10   1000 S.W. Broadway, 20th Floor
             Portland, Oregon 97205-3070
        11   503-595-1242

        12

        13   For the Defendant (via telephone):  The Washington
               Post Company:
        14
             WILLIAMS & CONNOLLY
        15   BY:  KEVIN HARDY, Attorney at Law
             725 12th Street, N.W.
        16   Washington, D.C., 20005
             202-434-5257
        17

        18
             Also present:       Mrs. Tara Carreon
        19                       Mr. Michael W. Franell,
                                   Ashland City Attorney

        20

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        22

        23

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         1                             I N D E X

         2                                                          Page

         3   Examination by Mr. Carreon                               4

         4   Examination by Mr. Hardy                                35

         5   Reporter's Certificate                                  36

         6

         7

         8                             EXHIBITS

         9   Plaintiff's                                  Identification

        10   1       One-page document entitled AFN Copyright       7
                     Infringement Process
        11
             2       One-page e-mail dated August 1, 2006 to        9
        12           abuse@ashlandfiber.net from Kathleen Parker

        13   3       One-page e-mail dated August 2, 2006 to       11
                     abuse@mind.net from Richard Holbo
        14
             4       Six-page document entitled Services           11
        15           Agreement

        16   5       One-page e-mail dated August 1, 2006 to       13
                     Kathleen Parker from Richard Holbo
        17

        18

        19

        20                             ---o0o---

        21

        22

        23

        24

        25



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         1         BE IT REMEMBERED, that on FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 2006,

         2    commencing at the hour of 10:02 A.M., at the office of the

         3      City of Ashland Legal Department, 20 East Main Street,

         4      Ashland, Oregon, before me, LAURA L. SMITH, a Certified

         5      Shorthand Reporter in and for the states of Oregon and

         6              California, there personally appeared:

         7                          JOSEPH FRANELL,

         8       a witness in the above-entitled action, called by the

         9    plaintiff, who, being by me first duly sworn, was examined

        10                     and testified as follows:

        11                    EXAMINATION BY MR. CARREON

        12   Q        Good morning, Mr. Franell --

        13   A        Good morning.

        14   Q        -- we have been introduced.

        15            And have you ever been deposed before?

        16   A        No.

        17   Q        Okay.  So, what we always say is that the oath you

        18   just took is the same as you would be given in a court of

        19   law, and the answers you give are with the same solemnity as

        20   if those were given in court.

        21            If at any time you do not understand my questions,

        22   please ask me and I will rephrase them; I mean that.

        23            And, generally speaking, unless your attorney

        24   instructs you not to answer, even if Ms. O'Kasey makes an

        25   objection -- for example, she might say, vague and



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         1   ambiguous, or whatever -- you are to answer the question

         2   unless you have been directed not to answer.

         3            If you have been directed not to answer, then it

         4   would be my duty to say, "Are you going to follow your

         5   counsel's instruction?"

         6            But usually we take care of that right now by

         7   saying if your counsel directs you not to answer, I assume

         8   you'll follow her instructions.

         9   A        I will.

        10   Q        And then I can waive asking you that follow-up

        11   question.

        12   A        Okay.

        13   Q        Thank you, okay.  Very good.  Now, the first

        14   witness scheduled for deposition today is called a

        15   designated witness to speak on behalf of the city of Ashland

        16   with regard to several different questions.

        17           I take it you are that witness.

        18            All righty.  Let's start with the first question.

        19            The first question is whether the city of Ashland

        20   has a written policy enacted pursuant to the Digital

        21   Millennium Copyright Act?

        22   A        It does not.

        23   Q        And you are the systems administrator for the

        24   Ashland Fiber Net?

        25   A        I am the information technology director for the



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         1   city of Ashland.

         2   Q        And prior to this position, you had another job in

         3   Florida for a telecommunication company; what was that?

         4   A        I was the senior manager of operations.

         5   Q        For what company?

         6   A        Knology Broadband of Florida -- K-n-o-l-o-g-y --

         7   Broadband of Florida.

         8   Q        Now, as part of operating the -- excuse me, strike

         9   that.

        10           As information technology director for the city of

        11   Ashland, is it your duty to direct the operations of the

        12   Ashland Fiber Net?

        13   A        It is.

        14   Q        I take it from your experience that you understand

        15   that a Digital Millennium Copyright Act policy, or DMCA

        16   policy, as I refer to it, is a great help in running an

        17   Internet service provider like Ashland Fiber Net?

        18   A        Yes.

        19           MS. O'KASEY:  I object to the form of the question.

        20           You can answer.

        21           THE WITNESS:  Yes.

        22   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  I have a document here that is

        23   called the AFN Copyright Infringement Process; it appears to

        24   have a couple of initials, Rh, and a date at the bottom,

        25   8/11/2006.



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         1            I am going to show you this document and ask you if

         2   you are familiar with it.

         3   A        Yes.

         4   Q        All right.

         5            MR. CARREON:  Can we mark that as Exhibit Uno?

         6                    (Whereupon Exhibit No. 1 was marked for

         7                     identification.)

         8   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  All righty.  Looking at Exhibit 1

         9   here, can you tell me if August 11, 2006 was the date of

        10   adoption?

        11   A        I don't know that for sure.

        12   Q        All righty.  And do you know the initials, Rh?

        13   A        Yes, I do.

        14   Q        Whose are those?

        15   A        Richard Holbo.

        16   Q        And do you have any knowledge about when this was

        17   adopted, or what reliance employees of -- Ashland Fiber Net

        18   employees placed upon this Exhibit 1 document?

        19   A        I have knowledge of how it's used; I don't know

        20   when it was adopted.

        21   Q        How is it used?

        22   A        It's used, um, as part of our acceptable use policy

        23   and in how we interact with the Internet service providers.

        24   Q        Now, in this case, what has been alleged by my

        25   client, American Buddha, is that there was a service



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         1   interruption by turning off a modem that serviced her web

         2   site and/or not her web site, American Buddha web site, and

         3   that that was done in violation of the DMCA.  That is just

         4   by way of preface.

         5            You understand that those are the allegations in

         6   the lawsuit; correct?

         7   A        I've read the allegations and I understand that

         8   that was part of it.

         9   Q        Okay.  And have you spoken with Mr. Holbo about

        10   this matter?

        11   A        Yes.

        12   Q        All right.  And what has he told you, if anything,

        13   about how he implemented --

        14            Well, has he told you that he implemented the

        15   procedures set forth in Exhibit 1?

        16   A        Yes.

        17   Q        Okay.  With respect to the American Buddha matter?

        18   A        Yes.

        19   Q        Okay.  And the first thing on the infringement

        20   process list is, one, "Receive notice of copyright

        21   infringement."

        22            And there is a document that I will show you and

        23   ask you if you can identify that document for me, and its

        24   significance to this case, as far as you can understand.

        25   A        This was an e-mail that was sent from Kathleen



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         1   Parker to our abuse e-mail address, to the Ashland Fiber

         2   Network's abuse e-mail address, that expresses a concern

         3   about a copyright infringement.

         4   Q        And this is the only document that was produced to

         5   me which appears to be anything like a notice of copyright

         6   infringement.

         7            It's your understanding that this is the only

         8   notice that was received from Kathleen Harris?

         9           MS. O'KASEY:  You mean Kathleen Parker?

        10           MR. CARREON:  Parker.

        11           THE WITNESS:  My understanding was that there was

        12   also a phone call that Kathleen and Richard Holbo had a

        13   discussion about, but I don't have firsthand knowledge of

        14   that.

        15            MR. CARREON:  Okay.  I'd ask the court reporter to

        16   mark this document, as identified as Kathleen's e-mail, as

        17   Exhibit 2.

        18                    (Whereupon Exhibit No. 2 was marked for

        19                     identification.)

        20   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  Did Mr. Holbo tell you whether

        21   there were more than one phone call?

        22   A        Whether there was more than one phone call with

        23   whom?

        24   Q        Excuse me; Kathleen Parker.

        25   A        Um, I'm sure of one phone call, I'm not sure if



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         1   there were more.

         2   Q        All right.  And what was the substance of that at

         3   least one phone call, as far as you understand?

         4   A        Again, I don't have any firsthand knowledge of

         5   that, so I don't know.

         6   Q        Now, in your former position -- or from the

         7   professional study that you have done, do you have any

         8   knowledge of whether Exhibit 2 was a notice that complied

         9   with the requirements of the Digital Millennium Copyright

        10   Act?

        11   A        I don't know.

        12   Q        Do you know whether or not a DMCA notice is

        13   required to be sworn under penalty of perjury?

        14   A        I don't know.

        15   Q        Now, looking at Exhibit 1, item two is:  "Attempt

        16   to contact downstream customer."

        17            Do you have any knowledge of who the downstream

        18   customer would be in this situation presented by Exhibit 2?

        19   A        In this case, our downstream customer would be the

        20   ISP.

        21   Q        And that is InfoStructure?

        22   A        Yes.

        23   Q        And did Mr. Holbo tell you that he had forwarded

        24   the e-mail from Ms. Parker to abuse@mind.net by means of an

        25   e-mail which is printed out there for you?



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         1   A        He did not tell me that.

         2   Q        Okay.  Is that your understanding of what that

         3   document is, Mr. Holbo's forwarding of the Parker e-mail to

         4   InfoStructure?

         5   A        It does not appear to be forwarded, it appears to

         6   be a summary of the complaint.

         7   Q        We'll mark that as Exhibit 3.

         8                    (Whereupon Exhibit No. 3 was marked for

         9                     identification.)

        10   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  With respect to all contracts

        11   between InfoStructure and the city of Ashland, there are

        12   three documents that have been produced by Ms. O'Kasey.  I

        13   put those in front of you and ask you if those are all

        14   contracts between InfoStructure and the city of Ashland?

        15   A        These are all of the contracts that I'm aware of

        16   between InfoStructure and the city of Ashland.

        17            MR. CARREON:  All right.  I'd like to mark those

        18   jointly as Exhibit 4 and I will put them in chronological

        19   order, with the most recent at the top, as they were given

        20   to me.

        21                    (Whereupon Exhibit No. 4 was marked for

        22                     identification.)

        23   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  The fifth item of testimony is all

        24   e-mails or other correspondence and records of telephone

        25   calls between and among the following persons or entities



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         1   concerning the matters alleged in this lawsuit.

         2            And we have various parties.  Perhaps I can just

         3   pass you this list and ask you to take a look through it and

         4   then I can ask you a couple of questions about that

         5   correspondence or e-mail.

         6   A        Okay.

         7   Q        All righty.  So what I have here, as we've already

         8   marked two e-mails as exhibits, we have another one here; is

         9   it your understanding that this is, in fact, the only other

        10   document which falls into this category:  All e-mails, other

        11   correspondence, records of telephone calls between and among

        12   the following persons or entities concerning the matters

        13   alleged in this lawsuit.  And then it's essentially the city

        14   of Ashland or its employees, InfoStructure, its employees,

        15   Kathleen Parker, the Washington Post, the Orlando Sentinel,

        16   the husband of Kathleen Parker.

        17            Is it your understanding that this is the only

        18   other e-mail that falls into that category?

        19   A        Yes.

        20   Q        And --

        21           MS. O'KASEY:  Let me interject something.  For the

        22   record, we objected to producing any e-mails having to do

        23   with conversations with any attorneys in this matter, so

        24   there may be other e-mails that are subject to the privilege

        25   which are not produced which he wouldn't know about.  So --



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         1           MR. CARREON:  I'm going to go ahead and mark this as

         2   Exhibit 5.

         3                    (Whereupon Exhibit No. 5 was marked for

         4                     identification.)

         5   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  The comment made by Ms. O'Kasey,

         6   without telling me the contents of any documents, are you

         7   aware of any communications that took place between any of

         8   the city of Ashland employees and attorneys which are

         9   subject to privilege, very likely?  Are you aware of any?

        10   A        Yes.

        11   Q        And do you know when those took place?

        12            And again, we can, just for purposes of placing the

        13   date, apparently virtually all of the matters pertaining to

        14   this lawsuit occurred on August 2nd.

        15   A        I don't know if they were on that date or not.  I

        16   know there were communications.  I'm not sure of the date.

        17   Q        All right.  Do you know if they occurred before the

        18   City of Ashland turned off the modem that was servicing the

        19   American Buddha web site?

        20   A        I don't know that for sure.

        21   Q        Do you have any reason to believe that there was

        22   communication with counsel during the process of deciding

        23   what to do with the Parker complaint?

        24   A        Yes.

        25   Q        Okay.  And so you believe there was some



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         1   communication, you don't know what the contents of it was?

         2   A        That's correct.

         3   Q        All right.  Those communications were had between

         4   someone else at the city of Ashland and an attorney?

         5   A        That's correct.

         6   Q        In other words, you weren't involved directly in

         7   the legal back-and-forth, but you are aware of it?

         8   A        Yes.

         9   Q        Did you play any decisive role in the decision to

        10   turn off the modem that was servicing the American Buddha

        11   web site?

        12   A        No active decision-making on my part was part of

        13   that decision.

        14   Q        Are you aware of who was the decider, as our

        15   president likes to put it?

        16   A        Yes.

        17   Q        And may I ask, who was that?

        18   A        It was the ISP, InfoStructure.

        19   Q        And how do you know that?

        20   A        That is what I was told.

        21   Q        All righty.  By?

        22   A        Both counsel and one of my employees.

        23   Q        And that employee was?

        24   A        Richard Holbo.

        25   Q        Do you know if at -- do you know if, at any time in



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         1   this process, if there were telephone calls or e-mails from

         2   anyone besides Kathleen Parker representing themselves as

         3   being an agent of the Washington Post newspapers?

         4           MR. HARDY:  Objection to form.

         5           THE WITNESS:  No.

         6   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  So as far as you know, nobody?

         7   A        That's correct.

         8   Q        The sixth item of discussion here is, all facts

         9   that would support the city of Ashland affirmative

        10   allegation and denials set forth in its answer and the

        11   persons having knowledge of those facts.

        12            That's a little bit technical, but I'm going to

        13   show you an answer and these things called affirmative

        14   defenses with respect to -- have you seen this document?

        15   A        Yes.

        16   Q        All righty.  And with respect to the first defense

        17   appearing on the second page here, can you tell me what

        18   facts would support the city of Ashland affirmative

        19   allegations and denials in that first defense?

        20           MS. O'KASEY:  I object and instruct you not to

        21   answer to the extent it requires discussions with your

        22   attorney regarding this matter.

        23           If you have facts that you have knowledge of

        24   independent of any discussions that you have had with

        25   counsel, you can answer.  Otherwise, I'm instructing you not



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         1   to answer.

         2           THE WITNESS:  I have no other facts.

         3   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  Okay.  Do you understand what is

         4   stated there basically beyond your understanding?

         5   A        Yes.

         6   Q        Or do you understand it?  Okay.

         7            Number two, plaintiff has failed to state a claim

         8   for any first amendment violation as AFN is not a public

         9   forum and plaintiff has no constitutional, protected right

        10   to violate the copyright laws.

        11            Now, my first question, do you understand that

        12   question?

        13   A        Yes.

        14   Q        All right.  Now can you answer it?

        15           MS. O'KASEY:  I object and instruct you not to

        16   answer to the extent it calls -- it requests or requires you

        17   to reveal any conversations that you have had with your

        18   attorney.

        19           If you are aware of any facts independent of any

        20   conversations that you have had with your attorney, you may

        21   answer; otherwise, I'm instructing you not to answer.

        22           THE WITNESS:  I'm aware of no other facts.

        23   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  So you don't know whether AFN is

        24   or is not a public forum?

        25           MS. O'KASEY:  That calls for a legal conclusion,



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         1   Counsel.  Object to form.

         2            MR. CARREON:  That's what these designated

         3   witnesses are for, is to speak for the city.  If you don't

         4   want to have a witness who doesn't understand the matter

         5   testify on behalf of the city, I'll give you an opportunity

         6   to put him forward.  Otherwise, this will be the city of

         7   Ashland's answer to that question.  Is it a public forum.

         8           MS. O'KASEY:  I object to the form of the question,

         9   it calls for a legal conclusion.  Further, if it requires

        10   you to discuss any information that you've learned through

        11   your counsel, that is subject to the attorney-client

        12   privilege.

        13           If you have any knowledge outside of that, you can

        14   answer.  If you don't, I'm instructing you not to answer.

        15           THE WITNESS:  The only knowledge I have is knowledge

        16   that I've gained through my interaction with my legal

        17   counsel.

        18   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  Okay.  So the city of Ashland,

        19   then, has no knowledge independent of its communication with

        20   counsel concerning whether AFN is or is not a public forum;

        21   is that correct?

        22   A        That's correct.

        23   Q        Thank you.

        24           And taking a look at item three, it's -- excuse me,

        25   the third defense, it says, plaintiff fails to state a claim



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         1   for declaratory relief because his service has been

         2   reconnected and there is currently no justiciable claim or

         3   controversy.

         4           Do you agree, as the city of Ashland --

         5           Speaking on behalf of the City of Ashland, do you

         6   agree that the reconnection of service has eliminated any

         7   grounds for dispute in this lawsuit?

         8           MS. O'KASEY:  I object and instruct you not to

         9   answer to the extent it calls for information that you've

        10   learned through conversation with your attorney.

        11           If you have any independent facts outside of

        12   conversations with your attorney, you may answer; but if you

        13   do not, you may not answer the question.

        14           THE WITNESS:  I have no independent facts.

        15   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  Let's take a look at the fourth

        16   defense, and I'll just ask you to look at that and ask me

        17   directly with respect -- answer me directly with respect to

        18   the fourth defense.

        19            Do you have any knowledge, independent of what you

        20   have gained from your discussions with counsel with regard

        21   to that fourth defense?

        22   A        No.

        23   Q        Okay.  Let's move down to the fifth one, and you

        24   can read that.  That one is entitled Mootness, and the same

        25   question again.



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         1   A        Same question, no.

         2   Q        And with respect to the sixth defense, same

         3   question.

         4   A        No.

         5   Q        With respect to the seventh defense?

         6   A        No.

         7   Q        And with respect to the eighth defense, which is

         8   also labeled, And by Way of Counterclaim?

         9   A        No.

        10   Q        One of the other topics to be discussed today is

        11   whether there is anyone else in the city who has knowledge

        12   of any of the questions that I am asking you.

        13            Is there anyone else in the city that you know of

        14   who would have any facts, outside of what they may have

        15   learned from discussing the matter with an attorney, with

        16   respect to any of those affirmative defenses and with

        17   respect that you said you had no personal knowledge; anybody

        18   else?

        19   A        No.

        20   Q        If I were to ask you to assume that InfoStructure

        21   has said, through its agents, that the city of Ashland made

        22   the decision to turn off the modem that was servicing the

        23   American Buddha web site, would you have any response to

        24   that?

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         1   would defer to answer that.

         2   Q        Have you had any discussions with Mr. Holbo about

         3   that?

         4   A        About?

         5   Q        About InfoStructure's blaming the City of Ashland

         6   for turning off the --

         7   A        No.

         8   Q        -- the American Buddha?

         9   A        No, I have not.

        10   Q        Any discussions with InfoStructure?

        11   A        No.

        12   Q        Any discussions with counsel, with regard to which

        13   you would not give me the contents, but you can tell me that

        14   the discussion occurred?

        15   A        About that allegation?

        16   Q        Yes, sir.

        17   A        No.

        18   Q        I take it there is no dispute that the modem was

        19   actually turned off and that the American Buddha web site

        20   was -- and all the other web sites that were available

        21   through that modem in fact was turned off for a period of

        22   time on August 2nd?

        23   A        The only thing I can speak to is that the modem was

        24   turned off.  I -- I have -- I have no further knowledge as

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         1   Q        And to your understanding, the purpose for doing

         2   that, why was that done?

         3   A        Because InfoStructure, our customer, instructed us

         4   to turn off the modem.

         5   Q        And their reason for doing that as understood by

         6   you?

         7   A        Was that there was a complaint of copyright

         8   violation.

         9   Q        Are you aware of any other occasions, since you

        10   began your tenure here as the information technology

        11   director, whether a modem has been turned off at the request

        12   of one of the downstream ISPs --

        13   A        I --

        14   Q        -- for -- excuse me, for copyright infringement,

        15   for alleged copyright infringement?

        16   A        I have been told that there are instances of that

        17   happening.  I wasn't personally involved.

        18   Q        Okay.  But your understanding is that the city of

        19   Ashland has been turning off modems during the time that you

        20   have been the technology director in response to requests

        21   from ISPs in order to remedy claims of copyright

        22   infringement?

        23   A        Yes.

        24   Q        And there would be documentation on each of those

        25   occurrences?



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         1   A        I believe there is documentation, yes, but I'm not

         2   -- I have not seen that documentation.

         3   Q        And in each case, it's your understanding that the

         4   city of Ashland continues to adhere to the policy set forth

         5   in Exhibit 1?

         6   A        Yes.

         7   Q        And so in each case, there would be a notice of

         8   copyright infringement, a record of the attempt to contact

         9   the downstream customer, a record of there being an

        10   eight-hour interval for allowing the copyright infringement

        11   to be cured, and then a record of the modem being placed in

        12   the local.modems file in the DHCP servers?

        13            You can just go ahead and review that; I think I've

        14   just summarized what is on Exhibit 1.

        15   A        Our policy I don't believe requires us to keep

        16   records of those steps being taken, but I believe all of

        17   those steps were taken in each case.

        18   Q        There is nothing in this Exhibit 1 policy that

        19   provides for notification to the operator of the web site

        20   who is alleged to be posting infringing material; correct?

        21   A        That's correct.

        22   Q        And is it your understanding that that is in

        23   compliance with or in violation of the DMCA?

        24   A        Since my relationship is as a wholesaler to ISPs, I

        25   don't know if that is a requirement or not of the DMCA.



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         1   Q        Do you have any intention to inquire into DMCA

         2   compliance with counsel for the City of Ashland in order to

         3   determine whether perhaps some amendment to the policy set

         4   forth in Exhibit 1 would bring it into compliance with the

         5   DMCA or whether no such changes are necessary?

         6   A        Yes.

         7           MS. O'KASEY:  Let me just object to the form of the

         8   question.

         9           THE WITNESS:  Sorry.

        10           MS. O'KASEY:  You can answer.

        11           THE WITNESS:  Yes.

        12   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  And so in a sense, this case is

        13   highlighting a legal concern that you are going to follow up

        14   on?

        15   A        Yes.

        16   Q        I take it it is the --

        17            Let's go back to one other topic.  The city of

        18   Ashland has alleged that Ashland Fiber Net is not a public

        19   forum, as we discussed.  You said you didn't have any

        20   personal knowledge of that.

        21            Are there any mission statements -- is there a

        22   mission statement for the Ashland Fiber Network?

        23   A        I'm not certain.

        24   Q        Would you agree that the Ashland Fiber Net is 100

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         1   A        Yes.

         2   Q        And we would agree that the City of Ashland is a

         3   municipal subdivision of the state of Oregon?

         4   A        Yes.

         5   Q        And we would agree that the entire revenue base of

         6   the city of Ashland is funded by taxation and other

         7   collections from its residents and activities that are

         8   performed for the benefit of the residents?

         9           MS. O'KASEY:  I object to the form of the question.

        10   You can answer.

        11           THE WITNESS:  I don't know that for sure.  I've only

        12   been with the city seven months; I am not certain of all of

        13   its funding sources.

        14   Q        You are unaware of any funding sources outside of

        15   the usual municipal sources, taxation and whatever revenue

        16   is taken in; for example, through an enterprise of AFN which

        17   does have a revenue flow, correct, income flow?

        18   A        There are two questions there, so -- sorry.

        19   Q        I do that.  That's what the court reporter was

        20   warning us all about at the beginning.  Let me break them

        21   down.

        22           Ashland Fiber Net generates revenue?

        23   A        Yes.

        24   Q        And that revenue comes from -- the first source

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         1   today?

         2   A        That's one of the sources, yes.

         3   Q        The second would be from subscriber revenues which

         4   are -- that there are -- I believe there is still cable

         5   television and there are direct subscribers to that through

         6   AFN.

         7   A        There are some direct subscribers to AFN, not cable

         8   television today.

         9   Q        Those contracts have been sold?

        10   A        Not sold.

        11   Q        We don't need to venture into that.

        12           If we were to ask you for a safe summarization of

        13   what you would tell your employees at Ashland Fiber Network

        14   as the goal with respect to providing service to the

        15   citizens of Ashland, how would you summarize that, 30 words

        16   or less?

        17   A        To provide advanced telecommunication services to

        18   the citizens of Ashland.

        19   Q        And advanced telecommunications services, let's

        20   break that down.  What would that include?

        21   A        Today, that could include high speed Internet

        22   services, television or other video services, it could

        23   include telephone services, and there are other

        24   telecommunication services that might be available, but

        25   those would be the ones that would come to mind.



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         1   Q        All of those involve speech; correct?

         2   A        Yes.

         3   Q        It is not the policy of the city of Ashland to

         4   provide more favorable access to any party to the

         5   instruments of telecommunication that are provided by AFN?

         6   A        Is that a question?  I'm sorry.

         7   Q        That's what we would call a leading question.

         8   A        Okay.

         9   Q        Would you agree?

        10   A        Yes, I would agree.

        11   Q        It's the policy of the city of Ashland to provide

        12   all the telecommunication services that it has on an equal

        13   basis to everyone who pays the appropriate designated fees

        14   that have been adopted by the city?

        15   A        Yes.

        16   Q        One of those services that is made available, not

        17   necessarily utilized by the vast majority, but is made

        18   available through AFN is the ability to host web sites which

        19   can be viewed on the Internet.

        20           MS. O'KASEY:  I object to the form of the question.

        21           You can answer.

        22           THE WITNESS:  We don't host web sites.  All we do is

        23   provide connection to the Internet.  How those connections

        24   are used is not something that we, um, we dictate.

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         1   Every modem has what is called an Internet protocol;

         2   correct?

         3   A        MAC address.

         4   Q        MAC address that is unique; correct?

         5   A        Yes.

         6   Q        That modem is placed in the home or office of any

         7   Internet user here in the City of Ashland in order to obtain

         8   services on the Internet?

         9   A        Yes.

        10   Q        That modem can be utilized to send and receive

        11   e-mail; correct?

        12   A        Yes.

        13   Q        It can be utilized to view Internet web sites;

        14   correct?

        15   A        Yes.

        16   Q        And it can also be used as a conduit to host web

        17   sites?

        18   A        Yes.

        19   Q        When the modem is turned off, you can't send or

        20   receive e-mail, view web sites, or host web sites through

        21   that IP address?

        22   A        That's right.

        23   Q        In this case, during the time period the modem was

        24   disconnected, it was impossible for any of the users who

        25   received their Internet access through that modem to send or



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         1   receive e-mail, view web sites on the Internet, or host web

         2   sites through that address?

         3   A        That's correct.

         4   Q        All right.  And I take it that the city of Ashland

         5   would not exercise that power to control access to the

         6   Internet and those three levels of communication in a

         7   discriminatory manner?

         8   A        That's correct.

         9   Q        Nor would it exercise that power on the basis of a

        10   distinction between this type of speech or that type of

        11   speech because the city of Ashland didn't like it?

        12   A        That's correct.

        13   Q        So if someone is publishing a web site or sending

        14   e-mails that are defamatory of Mayor Morrison, the Ashland

        15   Fiber Net is not going to take any action on it?

        16           MS. O'KASEY:  Well, I object to the form of the

        17   question.

        18           You can answer.

        19           THE WITNESS:  That's correct.

        20   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  And in fact, we can't think up any

        21   circumstance where the City of Ashland is going to disable

        22   those three communicative functions that we went through

        23   unless there is a copyright infringement?

        24           MS. O'KASEY:  I object to the form of the question.

        25           You can answer.



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         1           THE WITNESS:  That's not completely accurate.

         2   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  They didn't pay their bill?

         3   A        That's correct, that would be one instance where an

         4   ISP would instruct us to disable a modem.

         5   Q        But there isn't any circumstances we can think of

         6   where, assuming that the person paying for access or the

         7   business had in fact paid, there is no circumstance in which

         8   the nature of the content that is being communicated from a

         9   web site would result in a shutdown of the modem except a

        10   verified allegation of copyright infringement.

        11           MS. O'KASEY:  I object to the form of the question.

        12           You can answer.

        13           THE WITNESS:  Not the content specifically, but if

        14   what was being transmitted was negatively affecting the

        15   network performance, viruses, spams, network attacks, that

        16   would be other instances of a violation of an acceptable use

        17   policy that could result in a shutdown of a modem.

        18   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  So that -- what would you call

        19   that?  Those would be malicious communications intended to

        20   cause damage to the network or other network users?

        21   A        Yes.

        22   Q        Those could also trigger a shutdown?

        23   A        Yes.

        24   Q        Any other type of content that would trigger a

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         1   A        Not that I'm aware of.

         2   Q        So that we come back to the issue of copyright

         3   infringement, and that is the only grounds on which the city

         4   of Ashland would shut down a modem, then it's rather clear

         5   that determining the bona fide nature of any individual

         6   allegations of copyright infringement is quite crucial;

         7   would you agree?

         8           MS. O'KASEY:  I object to the form of the question.

         9           You can answer.

        10           THE WITNESS:  Yes.

        11   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  And let us assume -- and if my

        12   assumption is wrong, then your answer is void -- but let us

        13   assume that the DMCA provides that in advance of a web site

        14   being shut down for an allegation of copyright infringement,

        15   that the operator of the web site is to be permitted an

        16   opportunity to respond to the allegations of copyright

        17   infringement, would you agree that in this case, the City of

        18   Ashland did not give that opportunity to the operator of the

        19   American Buddha web site?

        20   A        Again, the operator of the American Buddha web site

        21   is not the customer of the city of Ashland or the Ashland

        22   Fiber Network.  So in this case, that would be a question

        23   that I believe, since you are asking for an assumption, that

        24   would be best directed toward the service provider, the

        25   Internet service provider, InfoStructure.



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         1            InfoStructure is the customer of the Ashland Fiber

         2   Network.  The owner operator of American Buddha is not a

         3   direct customer of the Ashland Fiber Network.

         4   Q        But we would agree that the purpose of Ashland

         5   Fiber Net wasn't to establish a web of contracting

         6   relationships with downstream ISPs but rather to serve the

         7   citizens of Ashland; correct?

         8   A        From the beginning, the Ashland Fiber Network was

         9   structured as an open network where that relationship was

        10   the relationship that was put in place, so wholesale,

        11   retail, customer.  So that's the structure that has been in

        12   place since the beginning of the Ashland Fiber Network.

        13            So I think you could say that the intent was a

        14   deliberate intent to set up that structure of a wholesale,

        15   retail, customer relationship, the Ashland Fiber Network

        16   being the wholesaler, not the retailer.

        17   Q        Let me ask you:  Suppose the City of Ashland

        18   receives an allegation of copyright infringement against

        19   InfoStructure.

        20   A        Uh-huh.

        21   Q        Someone says they have stolen all the text that is

        22   on this particular web page and sends you the link; under

        23   those circumstances, then, you would agree that

        24   InfoStructure would have the opportunity to communicate with

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         1   licensed all this content from the author and it was

         2   perfectly lawful?  Yes, this person did write it, however,

         3   they had the license; they e-mail you the license, it's all

         4   good; you would agree that that communication should take

         5   place; correct?

         6   A        Yes.

         7   Q        All right.  And I take it that if it turns out that

         8   the interpretation of the DMCA -- well, back it up.

         9           I take it the City of Ashland didn't do anything to

        10   determine whether InfoStructure had communicated with the

        11   American Buddha web site operator in an effort to determine

        12   whether the alleged material in -- the allegedly infringing

        13   material in fact was infringing?

        14   A        I don't know if Richard Holbo asked that question

        15   or not.

        16   Q        Okay.  And I take it that if the city learns, from

        17   consultation with its counsel, that that sort of

        18   confirmation that the communication has actually reached the

        19   individual or company whose web site is going to be turned

        20   off or whose Internet service is going to be affected before

        21   turning off the modem, that the city will make that

        22   necessary change in its policies?

        23           MS. O'KASEY:  I object to the form of the question.

        24            You can answer.

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         1           MR. CARREON:  Perhaps we can take a little break?

         2           I'll shuffle through my notes and speak with my

         3   client, and if you would like to do any redirect, we can do

         4   that and then we can go on to the next witness.

         5           (Recess in proceedings.)

         6                             ---o0o---

         7   Q        BY MR. CARREON:  Mr. Franell, I just had a couple

         8   more questions.

         9   A        Okay.

        10   Q        One, taking a look at Exhibit 2, I notice

        11   references in there to pornographic, obscene, and doctored.

        12           Does the fact -- do any of those descriptions of

        13   Internet content have anything to do with the procedure on

        14   Exhibit 1?

        15   A        Those descriptions do not.

        16   Q        Okay.  So we would agree that Ms. Parker's

        17   complaints that there was content at American Buddha that

        18   was doctored, pornographic, or obscene, have nothing to do

        19   with determining whether something infringes copyright?

        20   A        That's correct.

        21   Q        Okay.  And accordingly, if there were a

        22   determination by AFN that some content were pornographic, or

        23   obscene, or doctored, those would not lead to a shutdown of

        24   a modem but rather only the allegation of copyright

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         1   A        That's correct.

         2   Q        All right.  With respect to turning off the modem,

         3   it is the case that one modem may service a large number of

         4   web sites; correct?

         5   A        There is that capability, yes.

         6   Q        Because a modem provides access for a server to the

         7   Internet, it can provide access --

         8   A        It can, that's correct.

         9   Q        -- and a server is basically a computer that

        10   stores, within its memory, web site content that can be

        11   served to the Internet?

        12   A        That's one use of a server, yes.

        13   Q        Okay.  And in this case, there was no determination

        14   in advance of how many web sites might be serviced by this

        15   one modem that was turned off?

        16   A        There was no determination of that made by the

        17   Ashland Fiber Network or its employees.  I don't know if

        18   InfoStructure did or not.

        19           MR. CARREON:  Thank you.  Okay, that concludes my

        20   questions.

        21           THE WITNESS:  All right.

        22           MR. HARDY:  I just have a couple questions.

        23           MR. CARREON:  We have got you, Kevin.

        24           MR. HARDY:  Okay.

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         1                     EXAMINATION BY MR. HARDY

         2   Q        Thank you.  I apologize for not being there in

         3   person, but I do appreciate the courtesy of allowing me to

         4   participate by telephone since I'm on the east coast.

         5            Just a couple questions.

         6            Do you know whether Kathleen Parker is or was at

         7   any time an employee or agent of the Washington Post

         8   Company?

         9   A        The only information I have relative to that came

        10   from my attorney.  So I can tell you what she told me if she

        11   wants me to, but that's the only information I have.

        12           MS. O'KASEY:  His question is:  Do you have any

        13   information on your own.

        14           THE WITNESS:  No.

        15   Q        BY MR. HARDY:  No, you do not?

        16   A        No, I do not.

        17           MR. HARDY:  That's all I have.

        18           MR. CARREON:  Very good.  We can conclude.

        19           MS. O'KASEY:  I don't have any questions.

        20           (Deposition concluded at 11:02 a.m.)

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         1                      REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE

         2   STATE OF OREGON      )
                                  )   ss.
         3   COUNTY OF JACKSON    )

         4           I, LAURA L. SMITH, a Certified Shorthand Reporter

         5   and Notary Public for the State of Oregon, do hereby

         6   certify:

         7           That the witness, JOSEPH FRANELL, was present at the

         8   time and place herein set forth and was by me sworn to

         9   testify as to the truth;

        10           That the said proceedings were recorded

        11   stenographically by me and were thereafter transcribed under

        12   my direction via computer-assisted transcription;

        13           That the foregoing transcript is a true record of

        14   the proceedings which then and there took place;

        15           That I am a disinterested person to said action.

        16           IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have affixed my seal and

        17   subscribed my name on January 11, 2007.

        18

        19

        20

        21

        22

        23
                     ______________________________
        24           LAURA L. SMITH, Notary Public
                     CSR NO. 97-0340
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