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by Chris Hansen
MSNBC - Dateline NBC
March 18, 2003
[transcript]
Announcer: Our DATELINE Special, Target: Iraq,
continues.
STONE PHILLIPS: Aid to terrorists, including
operatives of al-Qaeda. It's one of the reasons President Bush gave for
removing Saddam Hussein from power. Now in a DATELINE Exclusive, you'll
witness negotiations for deadly weapons that could have ties to Osama
bin Laden himself. Arms brokers caught on tape trying to purchase a
weapon that could threaten you every time you step on a plane: a
shoulder-fired missile that can shoot a 747 right out of the sky. Here's
Chris Hansen with the latest in a DATELINE investigation.
CHRIS HANSEN reporting: There is no doubt
shoulder-fired missiles are available on the black market, and there's
no doubt there are people right here in the United States -- people with
alleged ties to terrorist organizations -- who are eager to buy them,
especially American-made Stinger missiles.
(Soldiers practising shooting; unidentified city;
soldier and launcher)
Offscreen Voice: (From hidden camera) What's your
name?
Mr. MOHAMED "MIKE" MALIK: (From hidden camera) Mike.
Voice: (From hidden camera) Mike. Nice to see you.
HANSEN: (Voiceover) In fact, last August a DATELINE
investigation exposed a plot to do exactly that involving this New
Jersey convenience store owner and others with alleged links to Islamic
militant groups. How real is the threat? Well, just last November
terrorists in Africa tried to shoot down this Israeli jetliner with a
shoulder-fired missile.
(Excerpt from hidden camera footage of Mike; soldier;
plane; missile launcher)
General BARRY McCAFFREY: Well, I think we ought to
assume that any serious terrorist organization can acquire
shoulder-mounted surface-to-air missiles if they put their minds to it.
HANSEN: (Voiceover) NBC News analyst and retired
General Barry McCaffrey says there a dozen or more shoulder-fired
systems made in China, Russia and in Europe. But it's the US-made
Stinger that is at the top of the terrorist shopping list.
(Barry McCaffrey; missile being fired; Chinese soldier
firing missile; US soldiers firing missiles)
Gen. McCAFFREY: (Voiceover) Well, Stinger is the
Cadillac of missiles.
(US soldiers firing missiles)
HANSEN: (Voiceover) Accurate because it zeros in on
the heat from a jet engine, yet fairly simple to operate. After a few
days of training, it's basically point-and-shoot.
(Missile; jet flying; men shooting missile launcher)
HANSEN: And that's apparently one of the reasons the
individuals we told you abut last summer had Stingers on their lengthy
shopping list, a list that also included components for nuclear devices.
And when they were talking with an undercover government operative, they
made no secret of who the enemy was.
Mr. RANDY GLASS: And he told me that Americans were
the enemy.
HANSEN: Americans were the enemy?
Mr. GLASS: Yes.
HANSEN: (Voiceover) Randy Glass was a
conman-turned-government-informant who went undercover posing as a
weapons broker, a roll that eventually led him to a dinner meeting at a
New York restaurant. Among those at the table, a mysterious Pakistani by
the name of R.G. Abbas.
(Randy Glass talking to reporter; Glass driving and
talking on cell phone; hidden camera footage of restaurant; photo of R.G.
Abbas)
Mr. GLASS: He looked around the restaurant and he
said, 'We would have no problem with blowing up this entire restaurant.'
HANSEN: 'We would have no problem blowing up this
entire restaurant.'
Mr. GLASS: 'Because it's full of Americans.'
HANSEN: (Voiceover) That dinner led to another
meeting, this time at a south Florida warehouse that had been stockpiled
with weapons as part of a government sting operation targeting
individuals who were trying to buy weapons for terror groups.
(Warehouse; photo of weapons; photo of Glass holding
missile launcher)
Mr. GLASS: It was a showroom, you know, where you see
samples. For example, there were approximately--I believe it was 16
Stinger missiles.
HANSEN: (Voiceover) The whole scene was being recorded
by federal agents. DATELINE has obtained images from those tapes and a
separate audio recording of the meeting, now being broadcast for the
first time. The arms brokers and Randy Glass pull into the warehouse
where they're greeted by an undercover agent by the Bureau of Alcohol
Tobacco and Firearms. We blurred his face to protect his identity. The
man driving the Cadillac, wearing the dark shirt with the stripe is
veteran undercover agent Dick Stoltz who's posing as an arms supplier.
He heads to the back of the room and pulls out a Stinger missile.
(Photos from hidden camera footage of men meeting;
tape recorder; photos of car pulling up; photos of men greeting; photos
of men meeting with arrows pointing at Dick Stoltz)
Agent DICK STOLTZ: (From hidden camera) These are all
Stingers. This is -- this is about a million and a half dollars' worth
of Stingers here.
HANSEN: (Voiceover) That's Agent Stoltz' voice as he
shows the Stingers to the mysterious visitor from Pakistan, R.G. Abbas.
Stoltz, who recently retired from the ATF, says Abbas seemed to be
calling the shots.
(Photos of men meeting)
Agent STOLTZ: (From hidden camera) This is your IFF
interrogator pack here, OK?
HANSEN: (Voiceover) Stoltz, who Abbas thinks is an
arms dealer, explains the finer points of firing a Stinger.
(Photos of men meeting)
Mr. GLASS: Button right there, OK, that's when
you--when they spot the aircraft, they immediately turn that on and they
get a beep. It tells them if it's a -- if it's a friend or foe.
Go ahead. You want to hold it?
HANSEN: (Voiceover) Abbas puts the missile launcher on
his shoulder. Informant Randy Glass in the yellow shirt and the
undercover agent over on the left pull out their cameras.
(Photos of men meeting with arrows pointing to men)
Mr. GLASS: (From hidden camera) Abbas, let me -- let
me ask you a question. Do you want a picture so you can take back with
you?
HANSEN: (Voiceover) While Abbas is having his photo
taken, one of his partners, a wheeler-dealer from Jersey City named Diaa
Moshen, sits in this office inside the warehouse. Undercover Agent
Stoltz comes in and sits across the desk. Then they're joined by that
New Jersey convenience store owner, Mohamed "Mike" Malik. He sits down
on the right and sounds anxious to close the deal, even suggests they
already have buyers lined up.
(Photos of meeting)
Mr. MALIK: (From hidden camera) This is going to be a
really hot item for us because so convenient, Kashmir or Afghanistan.
That'll be beautiful.
HANSEN: (Voiceover) Where will the weapons go?
(Photo of weapons)
Unidentified Man: We did confirm through various
sources that -- that Abbas and Malik did have links to weapons
trafficking groups and -- and militant operations.
HANSEN: (Voiceover) Among them, Stoltz says, the
Taliban in Afghanistan. Remember, as this warehouse meeting was taking
place in the summer of 1999, Osama bin Laden and his Taliban allies were
still flourishing in Afghanistan. In fact, Diaa Moshen, the arms broker
on the left, whispers across the desk to agent Stoltz. Abbas, he says,
has direct connections to Osama bin Laden himself.
(Taliban soldiers; photos of meeting; footage of Osama
bin Laden; photos of meeting)
Mr. DIAA MOSHEN: (From hidden camera) He gets in with
the dignitaries, bin Laden -- bin Laden, who blew that embassy.
HANSEN: (Voiceover) An apparent reference to the US
Embassies that were blown up in Africa in 1998. Abbas then joins them.
He's the one on the far left. The man in the doorway is that federal
agent whose face we blurred. After only a few minutes of discussion, the
buyers settle on a deal for Stingers and other weapons.
(Rescue workers at bombed embassy; men carrying
wounded person; photos of meeting)
Mr. MALIK: (From hidden camera) We're talking up to $3
million.
Agent STOLTZ: (From hidden camera) Right.
Mr. MALIK: (From hidden camera) Small shipment.
HANSEN: (Voiceover) What does Abbas think about
smuggling the weapons in through Pakistan?
(City in Pakistan)
Mr. R.G. ABBAS: (From hidden camera) That's no, no,
no, no problem.
Agent STOLTZ: (From hidden camera) OK.
HANSEN: (Voiceover) Negotiations went on for more than
a year. Then in January 2001, another undercover meeting taped by the
feds, this time in a Florida hotel room. Dick Stoltz sat with this man
who traveled from Pakistan to finalize what was now a $32 million deal.
The feds waited and waited but the money never arrived. Finally in June
2001, three months before 9/11, they arrested Diaa Moshen and his
associate, Mike Malik. Both eventually pleaded guilty to violating
federal weapons laws and were sentenced to 30 months in prison. Neither
faced any terrorism-related charges.
(Photos of meeting; photos of second meeting; photos
of weapons; ATF agent in gear; photos of Mohamed Malik and Diaa Moshen)
HANSEN: (Talking on phone) Yes, Mr. Abbas?
(Voiceover) As for R.G. Abbas, we were able to track
him down by phone in Pakistan. He denied trying to buy weapons or
threatening Americans.
(Reporter talking on phone; photo of Abbas holding
missile launcher)
HANSEN: (Talking on phone) But how can you say that
when the government has a tape with you...
(Voiceover) ... talking about buying weapons?
(Photos of meeting)
Mr. ABBAS: (Talking on phone) Well, if the government
has a tape and I was talking about the weapons, then how come I am not
in any--in--involved in any investigation here?
HANSEN: (Voiceover) We now have an answer to Mr. Abbas'
question. Two weeks ago a federal indictment was unsealed in Florida
charging Abbas and the co-conspirator -- the money man who met Stoltz in
the hotel room -- with violating US weapons laws. Both men are believed
to be in Pakistan, and US authorities say they're working towards their
capture and extradition. Meanwhile, federal agents say that
investigating terror groups trying to get their hands on shoulder-fired
missiles has become a huge focus in the continuing war on terror.
(Photo of Abbas holding missile launcher; federal
building; lawsuit; unidentified Pakistan city; photos of man and Abbas;
photos of meeting; terrorists firing missile launchers)
PHILLIPS: While those men never got their missiles,
the government is taking the possibility of this type of assault
seriously. Even before the alert status was returned to "orange," teams
of agent had been dispatched to airports across the country to assess
their vulnerability to missile attack.
Announcer: Still ahead, Peter Arnett, one of the last
Western journalists still in Baghdad, reports on a city that may soon be
under siege, when Target: Iraq, a DATELINE Special, continues.
Copyright 2003 National Broadcasting Co. Inc.
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